Korn's flaws

Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:46 PM

I thought this would make a good idea for a thread. Basically, list the complaints you have with specific songs, albums,music videos, or Korn in general.

I was just listening to the "Alone I Break". I like the song, but I think it would of been better if it was heavier. It would be better if, near the end of the song, there was a heavy breakdown. The song was too mellow, I sensed a lot of pent up rage in the song, and it never got through.

Also, the songwriting on most of "Take a Look in the Mirror" is uninspired. I would of liked it if there was more variety in the lyrics, not just Jon bellowing about how much he hates everybody.

Also, "Thoughtless". I like the song, but is it really worth Jon's time to complain about being bullied in high school? He was 31 when this song came out, don't you think that's too old to be complaining about it? The music video doesn't make sense either. Why is the kid being picked on? Why are the jocks beating him up for no reason?

Speaking of that, "Let the Guilt Go". That's the THIRD time Korn used the whole "unpopular kid vs the jocks" cliche in one of their music videos.

Finally, "Untitled". I love the album, but it would of been perfect if Munky and Fieldy got more time to shine. You couldn't hear Fieldy's bass, Munky never got a good chance to really do something cool. I would of liked it the bass and guitar were tuned up more, and that the synths didn't overpower them.

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  1. Re: Korn's flaws

    Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:09 PM

    Playing the same 15 songs every night for an entire tour. It's time for another setlist petition.

    Is this my overture,
    or obituary?

  2. Re: Korn's flaws

    Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:42 PM

    check out the silent hill track. the biggest turd ever made on earth. korn started putting out filler song that have no guitars and sound like shit. i never got this angry over anything they put out. but that song is just stupid.
    on the other hand i dont understand people hating haze. i think haze is one of their most creative songs. the sound is just unique. 7 string without distortion sounding badass and sick. the silent hill song is with guitars with distortion sounding like pure crap.
    i think jd does not see that it is wrong to release his solo demos and label it KORN.
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  3. Re: Korn's flaws

    Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 5:49 PM

    Thank you for reviving this. We always need to have one to keep things active.
    ...

  4. Re: Korn's flaws

    Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:09 PM

    I love Alone I Break. I hate it when people imply that every single song Korn makes has to be heavy. I can listen to that song and get my emotions out just as well as any mindless metal song. I also love Take a Look in the Mirror, but I know where you're coming from on that point.

    My biggest complaint about Korn is where they're heading. KIII was unfortunately overrated. I personally was not impressed with the songwriting on that album at all.. Except for maybe on Trapped Underneath the Stairs, and a little bit on The Past.

    Now they're doing a dubstep album.. I know that you're all going to say it's great that they're trying new genres and everything, but on the inside everyone's slowing getting nervous and thinking, "Where are they headed?" I mean, I will always love Korn, and I'll certainly get their new album when it comes out, but as far as dubstep goes.. Well I'd rather just listen to rock.
    ~C'est la vie

  5. Re: Korn's flaws

    Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 6:52 PM

    Why would anybody want to change anything about Alone I Break? That's one of Korn's best songs. A random heavy breakdown would have ruined it.

    Anyways, I thought Korn III and Take A Look in the Mirror were very uninspired albums. They each had some good songs, but overall I was disappointed by them overall.

  6. Re: Korn's flaws

    Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:42 PM

    The first post in this thread has flaws of its own, claiming "Thoughtless" was written about Jonathan's personal experience in high school, rather than through the eyes of someone else looking to seek revenge. Although it's nothing violent at the end of the video, obviously, that probably wouldn't have been good form two years after Columbine. JD always mentioned the song was more about bullying and revenge in general.

    Not sure what to say about "Let the Guilt Go" video, except Korn probably had nothing to do with the filming. That usually leads to a crappy video like "Everything I've Known" or "Right Now". The single choice was terrible, too. "Pop a Pill" should've been a dead giveaway. I can't comprehend the stupidity of Korn's label or management or whoever decided to release "Let the Guilt Go".


    KornOnTheKob wrote:
    I love Alone I Break. I hate it when people imply that every single song Korn makes has to be heavy. I can listen to that song and get my emotions out just as well as any mindless metal song. I also love Take a Look in the Mirror, but I know where you're coming from on that point.

    My biggest complaint about Korn is where they're heading. KIII was unfortunately overrated. I personally was not impressed with the songwriting on that album at all.. Except for maybe on Trapped Underneath the Stairs, and a little bit on The Past.

    Now they're doing a dubstep album.. I know that you're all going to say it's great that they're trying new genres and everything, but on the inside everyone's slowing getting nervous and thinking, "Where are they headed?" I mean, I will always love Korn, and I'll certainly get their new album when it comes out, but as far as dubstep goes.. Well I'd rather just listen to rock.
    ~C'est la vie


    I'm pretty sure they're doing a Korn album produced by dubstep artists, not a dubstep album. "Get Up!" isn't pure dubstep and it's not very different from a traditional Korn song...

    Is this my overture,
    or obituary?

  7. Re: Korn's flaws

    Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:11 PM

    I can't comprehend the stupidity of Korn's label or management or whoever decided to release "Let the Guilt Go".


    +100000

    Pop a Pill or Fear is a Place to Live I think would have made good singles. Even Oildale (Is it one LOL I dunno)

    I was reading an interview from back in the day with Head and Munky in Guitar world and Head mentioned that he thought Thoughtless should have not been a single. just gets to show ya the labels tell em what to do. But then again maybe on Roadrunner they have more input into things.
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  8. Re: Korn's flaws

    Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:23 AM

    I'm one of those folk that cant really see a flaw in Korn.

    There are some songs on the 'Untitled' that I dont really like but Korn more or less are flawless :-)

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  9. Re: Korn's flaws

    Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:27 PM

    I have a question....what are your flaws? Do you guys have flaws? I know I do.
    "DEAL WITH IT"

  10. Re: Korn's flaws

    Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:23 AM

    We don't do self-evaluation here.
    ...

  11. Re: Korn's flaws

    Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:39 AM

    ADandelion wrote:
    We don't do self-evaluation here.
    ...

    LOL

    "DEAL WITH IT"

  12. Re: Korn's flaws

    Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:27 PM

    dude you have to realize that some pain may never go away ... even at 31 , 41 , 61 , or 91

  13. RE: Korn's flaws

    Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:28 AM

    Cool! A thread where I can bitch about stuff!
    So: I don't really have a problem with one specific album/song/whatever, but I do have problems with Korn and its albums in general(because the basic thought or idea behind the albums are so bad that they ruin the value of the albums beyond repair). I know many people have said it before me but all of the Korn albums after Issues:
    lack the originality and honesty Korn had in the beginning, lack the 'nu' part of nu metal, the part that made the sound scary and heavy as hell. Furthermore Jon's voice is kinda damaged from all that years of singing without doing 'warm up' singing practices, Ray tries to mimic David's playstyle and fails to be original in the end, and at last but not at least Korn still needs an official 2nd guitarist.

    All in all I may have been a bit harsh. In myh opinion, neither Korn album is shit(not even Untitled). All these albums have positive aspects like the escapism from the screaming in Untouchables or the industrial-influenced SYOTOS, but these albums are either mediocre, or too... artistical, thus compared to the first 4 album they are bad.

  14. Re: Korn's flaws

    Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:32 AM

    The only flaw I've seen with KoRn is age. That is all

  15. Re: Korn's flaws

    Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:34 AM

    Everything in the human world has flaws...Korn are no different.

    Personally I love that they challenge themselves to try new things, and if they didn't we might not be here now talking about them, as they may have disappeared a long time ago. Having said that though, there hasn't been an album out since Issues where I have liked every song on the record...which is unfortunate =( I miss the 90s!!

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  16. Re: Korn's flaws

    Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 8:18 AM

    Korn III should have been recorded to a click track on some songs. It's one thing to keep a natural sound. I get that. But it didn't happen on every track. Things seemed very rushed.

    SYOTOS had too much auto-tune. It lacked fieldy's bass. Clapping is never okay to have in a song. Also there were a lot of guitar leads lost in the mix. The multitracks I have for Coming undone had great lead parts in it that you can't even hear in the album mix.

    Untitled lacked field's bass and Munky's guitars were very weak. Thus making really great songs tough to listen to because their lack of power.

    Take a Look in the Mirror also had problems with Fieldy's bass. It actually had too much click and not enough bass behind it. Also the drums lacked compression and had too much treble mixed in. I did like the guitars on this as well as the vocal mixes though. They had power. Oh yea, sweet riff ruined by Nas. I'm pretty sure this album caused fieldy's bass to be editing out in future albums.


    My biggest complaint about those albums is this; They all have really great songs that are frustrating to listen to because they were not produced well.

  17. Re: Korn's flaws

    Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:51 PM

    dan_davis wrote:
    I'm one of those folk that cant really see a flaw in Korn.

    There are some songs on the 'Untitled' that I dont really like but Korn more or less are flawless :-)

    Dan
    __________________________________________
    I Will Never Run Away
    Places Inside
    My Heart Screams Inside With Pride



    same here, i think its fine the way things are going, just that the vip prices are absurd.

  18. Re: Korn's flaws

    Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 7:46 PM

    For me, most of the B-Sides off SYOTOS were dreadful.

    feels like something...
    ...no, its nothing

  19. Re: Korn's flaws

    Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:32 PM

    To me it is hearing the downloads of this past years shows sound. (I subscribe to the download every show thingy).

    I must say I miss Head even more and they need to ditch the keyboard guy. My friend just saw them last week in Vegas and he said most of the songs sounded like remixes. Like even the new stops they started doing like a year ago on Hear to Stay. hearing the downloads there is waaaaaaay to much synth and keys in the songs, and in between songs.

    I love Munky and all.....but he just does not play the trippy/melody things head used to do. Even the opening to Beating me Down.....just sounds wrong. Head always used more tremolo FX on that part and the distortion part was always....well just distortion. You can totally tell Munky has the chorus pedal on during the heavy distortion parts. (Funny as in his IMV Behind The Player DVD he says when he switches from clean to dirty, he would have to hit all 3 pedals at once to get back to dirty).

    I listen to the CBGB's show or the KoRn Live at the Hammerstein Ballroom DVD and man.....it just sounds so good. I know the Head topic has been discussed at ad nauseum, but man if he came back it would be so killer....and get rid of the Keys guy!! He is only needed on certain songs like Throw Me Away! LOL

    Almost end of babble. But I wish they still played my 2 fav songs....Liar and Did My Time. :(
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  20. Re: Korn's flaws

    Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:48 PM

    Oh sorry for a second post as I LOL actually read the whole thread after posting.

    About JD's constant lyrics about being bullied or whatever. I have a friend who knows him and said he still is kinda messed up a little mentally even though he is off the sauce. I mean I dunno about you but owning the car Ted Bundy killed people with, and being married to an ex-porn star. Not saying the last thing is a bad thing....but IMO kinda weird. My friend said they did a LOT of fucked up shit back in the day. Obviously a tad of it....and I mean tad is in Fieldy's book. But the shit I heard was messed up.
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